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Should the St. Louis Rams Move to the Suburbs, or Get Stadium Upgrades?

The St. Louis Rams have options in the suburbs. But they want the Edward Jones Dome to be shaped up to their liking.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch has been reporting extensively on the negotiations between the St. Louis Rams and city leaders over the state of the home field, the Edward Jones Dome.

The Rams' lease calls for the team to play in a "top-tier" stadium. The team says the Dome is no longer in that category and has been renegotiating that lease in order to get the upgrades it says it must have to stay put.

The newspaper reported that arbitration is underway over the issue, with the three arbitrators preparing to decide on a plan by the Convention and Visitors' Bureau, the Rams, or some option they come up with themselves.

Meanwhile, the newspaper also reports that there are attractive locations in the St. Louis suburbs where a new, roomy home field could be constructed—sites including the former Chrysler plant in Fenton and land along Highway 141 in Maryland Heights.

According to the paper:

The Rams’ proposal for the Dome calls for tearing down half the building, extending its footprint across Broadway and adding a large glass wall. It would add a playing-field-sized sliding roof and reconfigured seating.

The CVC’s proposal suggests a new glass addition, outdoor terraces, renovated suites and new club seats and lounges. The two-sided, center-hung scoreboard would become four-sided. The CVC wants the Rams to kick in half of the cost.

If the arbitrators rule in the CVC’s favor, the public expense could be covered by raising taxes on game day revenue, such as tickets or parking. If more tax dollars are needed, St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay and County Executive Charlie Dooley have said they would push for a public vote.

Post-Dispatch columnist Bernie Miklasz says there's a lot of heat and little fire: he thinks the team is ultimately going to stay put for awhile and will get assurances that a new open-air stadium will be built.

Should the Rams get a big infusion of investment from the public into the Dome? Should the team move elsewhere? Why or why not?

William Braudis January 27, 2013 at 11:30 PM
Move to the county. Saint Louis is too darn dangerous for humans to walk around going to/from transportation. Night Baseball, three or four muggings each night of a game. This is just one reason that Saint Louis is always listed near the top of the most dangerous City in the U.S.of A. Going into Saint Louis City is like walking around with a Handgrenede with the Pin pulled, it is going to go off, just a matter of where and when.
Earl Higgins January 28, 2013 at 12:13 AM
I couldn't possibly care what they do either way, as long as my taxpayer dollars don't go to them, because I don't watch sillyballgames. Asking me if a football team should move would get you the same answer as if you ask me if a hair salon should move (I don't care).
flyoverland January 28, 2013 at 01:30 AM
The NFL financial assistance program requires public taxpayer participation.
Vic Panus January 28, 2013 at 01:55 AM
The stadium will cost OVER 1 BILLION after interest etc, The Rams pay about $500000 a year rent. They collect parking, concessions, junk, etc They will make billions on suites. Let the owners pay for the renovation or new home. There are only about 30,000 season tickets sold and most are to businesses with a write off. Did you ever notice in the Christmas catalogs-NO RAMS MERCHANDISE. Let the loooosers go back to California and stop being a drain on the tax payers.They don't really help the city businesses because who wants to stay downtown after the game? OWNERS--PAY THE BILL
Vic Panus January 28, 2013 at 01:59 AM
The Rams don't really care if they win or lose. The owners are making a ton of money on the stupid tax payers that votes for the tax increases. The present stadium isn't even paid for. We don't need them in St. Louis city or county. Period. Just fancy places for the owners to take their guests.
MoDans January 28, 2013 at 02:20 AM
According to the agreement of the League’s G4 Loan Program, there is no stated ratio of public funds to owner-provided funds required to qualify. Section 4, subsection d The stadium construction project must be a “public-private partnership” http://media.utsandiego.com/news/documents/2011/12/14/NFL_on_its_new_stadium_loan_program.pdf Presumably, if Stan were to receive some assistance, however minor, to obtain the land in question for the project, he would receive League assistance which is decided on a case-by-case basis. Seeing the Financial Stability of Stan Kroenke as a positive factor, an approved loan should be merely a formality.
MoDans January 28, 2013 at 02:35 AM
The Rams do not own the parking at the Edward Jones Dome, they collect no parking revenue. Further revenue from tailgating flows to private parking areas around the Dome
StlRams Forlife January 28, 2013 at 03:13 AM
KEEP THE RAMS AT ALL COST! If you live in St. Louis and it goes up for a vote for St. Louis and St. Louis county it will get passed. If the city of St. Louis wants to host great events in the city, like NCAA games, concerts and ect. the city will have to SPEND MONEY to MAKE MONEY. That's the way it has to be. If St. Louis can not keep its football team and host great events and make down town St. Louis a beautiful place to come and visit, then why in the hell don't they just shut the city down. We all know already downtown needs to be cleaned up and we need to place businesses there. So do whats right and just do the damn thing already.
Steve January 28, 2013 at 03:26 AM
Bring the Rams back where they belong! Los Angeles! Georgia Frontiere manipulated both cities when she moved the team. " The Wicked Witch is dead"! Bring them home!
Rod Sterkel January 28, 2013 at 03:36 AM
We will welcome them HOME at any cost cpme home to LA where u belong
Cheryl January 28, 2013 at 04:01 AM
The wicked witch, when in the West, cheated the family and SoCal fans, when she moved the team to St. Louis. That wrong will only be made right when the Rams come back to LA where they rightfully belong. We hope the people of St Louis let the team go--home to LA where they are wanted!
Fred January 28, 2013 at 04:09 AM
lol,your a funny clown.....
William Braudis January 28, 2013 at 04:24 PM
Mr. Sterkel, do not get too excited. Anyone can record a message on this site as long as the follow the rules. Like many " soap box " outlets, this brings out the the very un-educated who have no idea what value these Pro-Teams have to the community. For each negative comment there are fifteen to twenty positive thinkers. So, it is very unlikely that, in this case, the Rams are going anywhere.
Lorenzo De Medici January 28, 2013 at 05:18 PM
The Rams should have stayed within the bounty lines of Los Angeles county. When Georgia moved them to Anaheim the Rams failed financially and ticket sales were at a worst. If you were a corporate executive do you think it's smart to build a Stadium in an area like Fenton that is barren and surrounded by no businesses to thrive off each other. Now count the fact that St Louis fans couldn't sell out any games already, and the attendance is horrendous. How the hell do you think ticket sales and attendance will be in an area that has no fan support. If St. Lousians arent willing to support the Rams in St. Louis, for damn sure they are not trying to drive 20 min to see them. A smart man who will make this a matter of business will see this. Kroenke is a man who will not foot the entire bill out of his pocket, he has shown that. The NFL declared St. Louis a place that is unfit for a team to thrive when Georgia wanted to move them to Missouri. She filed a lawsuit against the NFL and won. The NFL didnt support the move, and now its time to restore what should have never happened. In order for a team to move to Los Angeles it needs a 3/4 vote from the teams and the NFLs consent. I bet Kroenke can swing a deal with AEG because they are aching to get a team locked in, and it's time the NFL gets payback against Georgia. If a move failed in the Orange County market, what do you think Fenton can do? It's time for the return of the Los Angeles Rams.
Sean M January 28, 2013 at 05:46 PM
Believe it or not they are wanted here! Los Angeles had the Rams for almost 50 years and in that entire time Los Angeles couldn't get a stadium built for the Rams, hence the reason they moved to Anaheim in 1979. And fast forward 20 years later after the Rams left Anaheim; all Los Angeles has done is only planned a football stadium and according to Los Angeles media publications that stadium deal is falling through the cracks as well. Don't take these idiot's opinions on here as the general consensus of all St. Louisians because what they are saying just isn't the truth. The truth is they are a bunch of fair weather fans or people who generally don't like sports at all so the loss of a pro team doesn't bother them because they have no idea the financial impact a pro sports team can have on a city and region. The Rams were not taken from Los Angeles they were thrown away by LA and I can not for the life of me understand why Goodell says that city should have 2 NFL teams when in 1994 they had 2 football teams there and LA couldn't manage to keep either one of them cause they both split that year. How often were the Rams selling out games at Anaheim Stadium or Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. The people of LA need to stop always acting like victims and get over themselves cause they aren't getting the Rams back. Georgia was no wicked witch either, she was a wonderful woman that loved her team, and their fans and was very charitable to the underprivileged people in this community.
William Braudis January 28, 2013 at 07:30 PM
Well written, Sean
GrandmaBunny January 29, 2013 at 02:35 PM
true!!
GrandmaBunny January 29, 2013 at 02:38 PM
I don't think taxdollars should be spent to enable a few select people to make millions of dollars at my expense . if they want a new stadium let them build it wih their own money.
GrandmaBunny January 29, 2013 at 02:44 PM
go rams go -back to LA!!!
MoDans January 29, 2013 at 03:12 PM
So, the jobs, however temporary, created to prepare the land in question for new construction and the stadium construction itself, along with the permanent jobs in Parking assistance, stadium maintenance, and maintenance of the surrounding property doesn't add to the economic good of the region? Wouldn't a newly constructed stadium also create opportunity for more jobs and/or services in the area around that stadium?
Joe Moefi January 30, 2013 at 02:56 AM
Some of you are such nail biting, narrow visioned morons. 90% of the comments contain the word "tax dollars" or similar. The Rams need a new home in the St. Louis county. The new stadium will spur up restaurants, offices, hotels, and more. These will be small to medium businesses that will offer more jobs as a result of the success the new stadium will have. The Rams are a shitty team because they play in a dreadful, red-colored seat filled dome in a shithole city ran by a clown (Slay). While St. Louis is far better off than Detroit, the migration of middle to upper class families to the west has killed the Rams' ability to market a "comeback". The Rams need their real fans back! Just look at the season before last. When the Cardinals won the World Series, the Rams went on to beat the Saints (who had a great record at the time) and the next week's game but then after that they lost once all of the atmosphere of winning the World Series and St. Louis trending faded away. The Rams need fans, a stadium in Fenton, and need to go back to the bright yellow with the dark navy on their jerseys. The gold is boring and isn't marketable. Don't worry about tax dollars because they have been going to public safety, education and business tax incentive programs which are all failing, too. Open your eyes.
Joe Moefi January 30, 2013 at 03:06 AM
However, if the Rams leave, St. Louis might actually get an NBA team like the Hornets, Pacers, or Bucks. Pacers are already testing the market by showing a few games on FSNMW this year.
paul January 30, 2013 at 06:48 AM
contact loan offer via nevilleloanfirm@yahoo.com
Don Goodwin January 31, 2013 at 05:10 PM
Send them back to Cali
Alex Ramokowski February 02, 2013 at 04:31 AM
Here's a little known fact...Jeff Fisher was a defensive coordinator with the LA Rams back in 91 and a SoCal Native. He also went on to successfully transition the Houston Oilers to the current Tennessee Titans. The Rams just cleared the ONLY hurdle that would've required them to stay in STL. And Stan K, who failed to buy the LA Dodgers, has LA ties and the team still has an office--in LA! Friends, St. Louis is not and will never be a football town. It's simply not a sustainable market. This team would be smart to move NOW...building a 900million complex is irrational...and Stan knows this.
joe February 02, 2013 at 03:26 PM
Stan Kroenke wants money .... Stan Kroenke wants luxury boxes.... St Louis doesn't have enough corporate headquarters and deep pockets to fill Stan Kroenke dream ..... .Also same problem St Louis had with Cardinals. Owner what's new stadium -- fans want a winning team means..... Stan Kroenke has to spend first.... he thinks city and fan base should spend first ...... age old catch 22 answer he takes his team where he wants when he can without losing money end of story 2015 --2016 maybe LA maybe but wherever he goes it will be a dual use stadium for his soccer team oh yes he will own one then
RDBet February 02, 2013 at 04:46 PM
You could be right - after all - many of his insider deals to build Walmart-plexes were subsidized by taxpayer money Yet, for some reason - I hold out hope that Kroenke has a soft spot for StL and won't try to stick it to the taxpayer this time. We shall see. Over a half-billion dollar difference between CVC and Rams proposal. Crazy.
Karen Stevens February 17, 2013 at 01:11 PM
LET THEM MOVE!!!
Cynthia C. April 02, 2013 at 09:56 PM
Can't see a big infusion of public money happening, but it would be great if they moved to the old Fenton plant. Rockwood school district could sure use the money.
MoDans April 03, 2013 at 12:49 AM
Why is this thread so full of whiners and miscreants who lack any knowledge of the NFL and how it does business, stadium issues, or revenue generated by a top-of-the-line NFL stadium surrounded by hotels and restaurants? Do your dogs pout when you call them?

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